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The entropy $S$ of a system is defined as $$S = kln Omega.$$ What precisely is $Omega$? It refers to "the number of microstates" of the system, but is this the number of all accessible microstates or just the number of microstates corresponding to the systems current macrostate? Or is it something else that eludes me?
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The entropy $S$ of a system is defined as $$S = kln Omega.$$ What precisely is $Omega$? It refers to "the number of microstates" of the system, but is this the number of all accessible microstates or just the number of microstates corresponding to the systems current macrostate? Or is it something else that eludes me?
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The entropy $S$ of a system is defined as $$S = kln Omega.$$ What precisely is $Omega$? It refers to "the number of microstates" of the system, but is this the number of all accessible microstates or just the number of microstates corresponding to the systems current macrostate? Or is it something else that eludes me?
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The entropy $S$ of a system is defined as $$S = kln Omega.$$ What precisely is $Omega$? It refers to "the number of microstates" of the system, but is this the number of all accessible microstates or just the number of microstates corresponding to the systems current macrostate? Or is it something else that eludes me?
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Entropy is a property of a macrostate, not a system. So $Omega$ is the number of microstates that correspond to the macrostate in question.
Since it is almost always the change in entropy, not the absolute entropy, that is considered, and we're taking the log of $Omega$, it actually doesn't matter if the definition of S is ambiguous up to a constant multiplicative factor, as that will cancel out when we take dS.
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Corresponding to the current macrostate. The principle of entropy is that a system seeks out the macro state that has the most microstates in it: in other words, our uncertainty about the underlying state of the system keeps multiplying and multiplying, until, with certain assumptions, we cannot do much better than just choosing a microstate uniformly at random.
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Entropy is a property of a macrostate, not a system. So $Omega$ is the number of microstates that correspond to the macrostate in question.
Since it is almost always the change in entropy, not the absolute entropy, that is considered, and we're taking the log of $Omega$, it actually doesn't matter if the definition of S is ambiguous up to a constant multiplicative factor, as that will cancel out when we take dS.
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Entropy is a property of a macrostate, not a system. So $Omega$ is the number of microstates that correspond to the macrostate in question.
Since it is almost always the change in entropy, not the absolute entropy, that is considered, and we're taking the log of $Omega$, it actually doesn't matter if the definition of S is ambiguous up to a constant multiplicative factor, as that will cancel out when we take dS.
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Entropy is a property of a macrostate, not a system. So $Omega$ is the number of microstates that correspond to the macrostate in question.
Since it is almost always the change in entropy, not the absolute entropy, that is considered, and we're taking the log of $Omega$, it actually doesn't matter if the definition of S is ambiguous up to a constant multiplicative factor, as that will cancel out when we take dS.
answered 35 mins ago
AcccumulationAcccumulation
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Entropy is a property of a macrostate, not a system. So $Omega$ is the number of microstates that correspond to the macrostate in question.
Since it is almost always the change in entropy, not the absolute entropy, that is considered, and we're taking the log of $Omega$, it actually doesn't matter if the definition of S is ambiguous up to a constant multiplicative factor, as that will cancel out when we take dS.
answered 35 mins ago
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Corresponding to the current macrostate. The principle of entropy is that a system seeks out the macro state that has the most microstates in it: in other words, our uncertainty about the underlying state of the system keeps multiplying and multiplying, until, with certain assumptions, we cannot do much better than just choosing a microstate uniformly at random.
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Corresponding to the current macrostate. The principle of entropy is that a system seeks out the macro state that has the most microstates in it: in other words, our uncertainty about the underlying state of the system keeps multiplying and multiplying, until, with certain assumptions, we cannot do much better than just choosing a microstate uniformly at random.
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Corresponding to the current macrostate. The principle of entropy is that a system seeks out the macro state that has the most microstates in it: in other words, our uncertainty about the underlying state of the system keeps multiplying and multiplying, until, with certain assumptions, we cannot do much better than just choosing a microstate uniformly at random.
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Corresponding to the current macrostate. The principle of entropy is that a system seeks out the macro state that has the most microstates in it: in other words, our uncertainty about the underlying state of the system keeps multiplying and multiplying, until, with certain assumptions, we cannot do much better than just choosing a microstate uniformly at random.
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