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Why do some musicians make such weird faces when they play?
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I was always a pretty sensitive person as far as emotions go. I'm always on some kind of extreme of happy, sad, angry, fearful, etc. But when I play my instrument I'm completely stoic. My face looks like :| at all times. So for the life of me I can't understand why some musicians make such weird/exaggerated faces when they play their instrument. Is there an explanation for this?
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I was always a pretty sensitive person as far as emotions go. I'm always on some kind of extreme of happy, sad, angry, fearful, etc. But when I play my instrument I'm completely stoic. My face looks like :| at all times. So for the life of me I can't understand why some musicians make such weird/exaggerated faces when they play their instrument. Is there an explanation for this?
theory
1
You're probably still too preoccupied with the technical side of playing your music. When that's completely mastered, you'll get inside the music and 'play from the heart', when the emotions that are missing now will start to appear - in body language and facial expressions.
– Tim
1 hour ago
Is this on topic?
– Todd Wilcox
1 hour ago
I think it has a lot to do with practice. Maybe it will be considered as opinion based. But you know my opinion concerning opinion based. This SE should handle some opinion based questions more liberally!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
1
@ToddWilcox It is about music performance.
– trw
58 mins ago
@ToddWilcox - yes, tangentially. 'Practice' here is 'what happens' rather than 'rehearsal'. (Maybe there's a more fitting word for the title?) However, I'm convinced it will be summarily closed.
– Tim
31 mins ago
add a comment |
I was always a pretty sensitive person as far as emotions go. I'm always on some kind of extreme of happy, sad, angry, fearful, etc. But when I play my instrument I'm completely stoic. My face looks like :| at all times. So for the life of me I can't understand why some musicians make such weird/exaggerated faces when they play their instrument. Is there an explanation for this?
theory
I was always a pretty sensitive person as far as emotions go. I'm always on some kind of extreme of happy, sad, angry, fearful, etc. But when I play my instrument I'm completely stoic. My face looks like :| at all times. So for the life of me I can't understand why some musicians make such weird/exaggerated faces when they play their instrument. Is there an explanation for this?
theory
theory
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You're probably still too preoccupied with the technical side of playing your music. When that's completely mastered, you'll get inside the music and 'play from the heart', when the emotions that are missing now will start to appear - in body language and facial expressions.
– Tim
1 hour ago
Is this on topic?
– Todd Wilcox
1 hour ago
I think it has a lot to do with practice. Maybe it will be considered as opinion based. But you know my opinion concerning opinion based. This SE should handle some opinion based questions more liberally!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
1
@ToddWilcox It is about music performance.
– trw
58 mins ago
@ToddWilcox - yes, tangentially. 'Practice' here is 'what happens' rather than 'rehearsal'. (Maybe there's a more fitting word for the title?) However, I'm convinced it will be summarily closed.
– Tim
31 mins ago
add a comment |
1
You're probably still too preoccupied with the technical side of playing your music. When that's completely mastered, you'll get inside the music and 'play from the heart', when the emotions that are missing now will start to appear - in body language and facial expressions.
– Tim
1 hour ago
Is this on topic?
– Todd Wilcox
1 hour ago
I think it has a lot to do with practice. Maybe it will be considered as opinion based. But you know my opinion concerning opinion based. This SE should handle some opinion based questions more liberally!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
1
@ToddWilcox It is about music performance.
– trw
58 mins ago
@ToddWilcox - yes, tangentially. 'Practice' here is 'what happens' rather than 'rehearsal'. (Maybe there's a more fitting word for the title?) However, I'm convinced it will be summarily closed.
– Tim
31 mins ago
1
1
You're probably still too preoccupied with the technical side of playing your music. When that's completely mastered, you'll get inside the music and 'play from the heart', when the emotions that are missing now will start to appear - in body language and facial expressions.
– Tim
1 hour ago
You're probably still too preoccupied with the technical side of playing your music. When that's completely mastered, you'll get inside the music and 'play from the heart', when the emotions that are missing now will start to appear - in body language and facial expressions.
– Tim
1 hour ago
Is this on topic?
– Todd Wilcox
1 hour ago
Is this on topic?
– Todd Wilcox
1 hour ago
I think it has a lot to do with practice. Maybe it will be considered as opinion based. But you know my opinion concerning opinion based. This SE should handle some opinion based questions more liberally!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
I think it has a lot to do with practice. Maybe it will be considered as opinion based. But you know my opinion concerning opinion based. This SE should handle some opinion based questions more liberally!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
1
1
@ToddWilcox It is about music performance.
– trw
58 mins ago
@ToddWilcox It is about music performance.
– trw
58 mins ago
@ToddWilcox - yes, tangentially. 'Practice' here is 'what happens' rather than 'rehearsal'. (Maybe there's a more fitting word for the title?) However, I'm convinced it will be summarily closed.
– Tim
31 mins ago
@ToddWilcox - yes, tangentially. 'Practice' here is 'what happens' rather than 'rehearsal'. (Maybe there's a more fitting word for the title?) However, I'm convinced it will be summarily closed.
– Tim
31 mins ago
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Performing technically demanding music requires a great deal of cognitive effort. The motor cortex, which you obviously need to physically play an instrument, is no small part of that. That some musicians lose direct control of things like facial expressions is no surprise. It’s the same as when you do any intense and consuming task and mindlessly chew on a pen or bounce your knee or wrinkle your brow, for example. If you make an effort to maintain a normal facial expression while playing, you divert concentration from the music and it may well hinder your performance. And not just technically. Audiences expect the expressions as part of the communication coming from a performer and may even disconnect emotionally if a soloist shows none of the intensity that these facial expressions suggest.
I’m not saying you’re hindering your performance unless you’re gurning; we’re all individuals. But a lot of musicians do it as a side effect of intense concentration.
2
The pianist, slowly lowering hands after the last chord, comes to mind. Makes absolutely no difference to the sound at the end - but is part of the performance. Facial expressions, though, are often involuntary, and not an 'acted' part of performance.
– Tim
53 mins ago
1
Also the conductors hand and the players instrument, even the head and the eyes movements to the public.
– Albrecht Hügli
10 mins ago
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I was always very ambivalent to the mimicking expression of musical artists. I always thought in a child’s naive way: this is just a show!
Contra:
- Especially looking at rock guitarists and keyboarders: they’re usually acting as they were doing such a hard work! but it is not authentic, the electronic does all the job.
But also the flutists and clarinetists, aswell cellists, pianists sometimes are exaggerating, singers (classical and pop).
It was looking so ridiculous and penibel to me that I preferred not showing a video to my school class but only the audio version.
I preferred watching Knopfler of dire straits like he was just doing his job.
it is also a pleasure to me to watch a video where the string orchester is playing pretty calm, it looks like they are working and it looks cool.
Well, one day I watched myself in the mirror playing my brassinstrument and I noticed how my eyebrows were accompanying my efforts to reach the higher pitch of the tune.
- And I realized on playing piano e.g. the chopin etude op. 10,1 that the whole body has to fulfill the movement to make this piece possible for playing.
I told the women sonsters and the children choirs to show emotion when singing, having contact to the public, keeping smiling.
I’ve always accepted the mimics and gestures of a conductor to give the impulse to the musicians.
why then not understanding that the players need or want to support or show the impulse they have with their gestures to illustrate the gestures and dynamics in the music (marked as allegro, pp, ff, attacco, morendo to transport better the idea of the music or the composers???
So finally I can identify with the artists, especially the soloists and feel empathy with their expressions.
- But it still seems quite ridiculous to me when I am watching a video of a string quartet, a chamber ensemble or one of those small choirs or singing (family)groups (egal if classical, pop or gospel):
It always looks as a competition of show, self-promoters and reminds me of the selfies in facebook)
Synthesis:
I prefer a cautious expression of feelings articulating and underlining the dynamicsof the music, relating to the necessary body movement to perform a piece with a natural contact, communication and interaction with the audience. This is an inherent part of performance!
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Performing technically demanding music requires a great deal of cognitive effort. The motor cortex, which you obviously need to physically play an instrument, is no small part of that. That some musicians lose direct control of things like facial expressions is no surprise. It’s the same as when you do any intense and consuming task and mindlessly chew on a pen or bounce your knee or wrinkle your brow, for example. If you make an effort to maintain a normal facial expression while playing, you divert concentration from the music and it may well hinder your performance. And not just technically. Audiences expect the expressions as part of the communication coming from a performer and may even disconnect emotionally if a soloist shows none of the intensity that these facial expressions suggest.
I’m not saying you’re hindering your performance unless you’re gurning; we’re all individuals. But a lot of musicians do it as a side effect of intense concentration.
2
The pianist, slowly lowering hands after the last chord, comes to mind. Makes absolutely no difference to the sound at the end - but is part of the performance. Facial expressions, though, are often involuntary, and not an 'acted' part of performance.
– Tim
53 mins ago
1
Also the conductors hand and the players instrument, even the head and the eyes movements to the public.
– Albrecht Hügli
10 mins ago
add a comment |
Performing technically demanding music requires a great deal of cognitive effort. The motor cortex, which you obviously need to physically play an instrument, is no small part of that. That some musicians lose direct control of things like facial expressions is no surprise. It’s the same as when you do any intense and consuming task and mindlessly chew on a pen or bounce your knee or wrinkle your brow, for example. If you make an effort to maintain a normal facial expression while playing, you divert concentration from the music and it may well hinder your performance. And not just technically. Audiences expect the expressions as part of the communication coming from a performer and may even disconnect emotionally if a soloist shows none of the intensity that these facial expressions suggest.
I’m not saying you’re hindering your performance unless you’re gurning; we’re all individuals. But a lot of musicians do it as a side effect of intense concentration.
2
The pianist, slowly lowering hands after the last chord, comes to mind. Makes absolutely no difference to the sound at the end - but is part of the performance. Facial expressions, though, are often involuntary, and not an 'acted' part of performance.
– Tim
53 mins ago
1
Also the conductors hand and the players instrument, even the head and the eyes movements to the public.
– Albrecht Hügli
10 mins ago
add a comment |
Performing technically demanding music requires a great deal of cognitive effort. The motor cortex, which you obviously need to physically play an instrument, is no small part of that. That some musicians lose direct control of things like facial expressions is no surprise. It’s the same as when you do any intense and consuming task and mindlessly chew on a pen or bounce your knee or wrinkle your brow, for example. If you make an effort to maintain a normal facial expression while playing, you divert concentration from the music and it may well hinder your performance. And not just technically. Audiences expect the expressions as part of the communication coming from a performer and may even disconnect emotionally if a soloist shows none of the intensity that these facial expressions suggest.
I’m not saying you’re hindering your performance unless you’re gurning; we’re all individuals. But a lot of musicians do it as a side effect of intense concentration.
Performing technically demanding music requires a great deal of cognitive effort. The motor cortex, which you obviously need to physically play an instrument, is no small part of that. That some musicians lose direct control of things like facial expressions is no surprise. It’s the same as when you do any intense and consuming task and mindlessly chew on a pen or bounce your knee or wrinkle your brow, for example. If you make an effort to maintain a normal facial expression while playing, you divert concentration from the music and it may well hinder your performance. And not just technically. Audiences expect the expressions as part of the communication coming from a performer and may even disconnect emotionally if a soloist shows none of the intensity that these facial expressions suggest.
I’m not saying you’re hindering your performance unless you’re gurning; we’re all individuals. But a lot of musicians do it as a side effect of intense concentration.
answered 1 hour ago
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The pianist, slowly lowering hands after the last chord, comes to mind. Makes absolutely no difference to the sound at the end - but is part of the performance. Facial expressions, though, are often involuntary, and not an 'acted' part of performance.
– Tim
53 mins ago
1
Also the conductors hand and the players instrument, even the head and the eyes movements to the public.
– Albrecht Hügli
10 mins ago
add a comment |
2
The pianist, slowly lowering hands after the last chord, comes to mind. Makes absolutely no difference to the sound at the end - but is part of the performance. Facial expressions, though, are often involuntary, and not an 'acted' part of performance.
– Tim
53 mins ago
1
Also the conductors hand and the players instrument, even the head and the eyes movements to the public.
– Albrecht Hügli
10 mins ago
2
2
The pianist, slowly lowering hands after the last chord, comes to mind. Makes absolutely no difference to the sound at the end - but is part of the performance. Facial expressions, though, are often involuntary, and not an 'acted' part of performance.
– Tim
53 mins ago
The pianist, slowly lowering hands after the last chord, comes to mind. Makes absolutely no difference to the sound at the end - but is part of the performance. Facial expressions, though, are often involuntary, and not an 'acted' part of performance.
– Tim
53 mins ago
1
1
Also the conductors hand and the players instrument, even the head and the eyes movements to the public.
– Albrecht Hügli
10 mins ago
Also the conductors hand and the players instrument, even the head and the eyes movements to the public.
– Albrecht Hügli
10 mins ago
add a comment |
I was always very ambivalent to the mimicking expression of musical artists. I always thought in a child’s naive way: this is just a show!
Contra:
- Especially looking at rock guitarists and keyboarders: they’re usually acting as they were doing such a hard work! but it is not authentic, the electronic does all the job.
But also the flutists and clarinetists, aswell cellists, pianists sometimes are exaggerating, singers (classical and pop).
It was looking so ridiculous and penibel to me that I preferred not showing a video to my school class but only the audio version.
I preferred watching Knopfler of dire straits like he was just doing his job.
it is also a pleasure to me to watch a video where the string orchester is playing pretty calm, it looks like they are working and it looks cool.
Well, one day I watched myself in the mirror playing my brassinstrument and I noticed how my eyebrows were accompanying my efforts to reach the higher pitch of the tune.
- And I realized on playing piano e.g. the chopin etude op. 10,1 that the whole body has to fulfill the movement to make this piece possible for playing.
I told the women sonsters and the children choirs to show emotion when singing, having contact to the public, keeping smiling.
I’ve always accepted the mimics and gestures of a conductor to give the impulse to the musicians.
why then not understanding that the players need or want to support or show the impulse they have with their gestures to illustrate the gestures and dynamics in the music (marked as allegro, pp, ff, attacco, morendo to transport better the idea of the music or the composers???
So finally I can identify with the artists, especially the soloists and feel empathy with their expressions.
- But it still seems quite ridiculous to me when I am watching a video of a string quartet, a chamber ensemble or one of those small choirs or singing (family)groups (egal if classical, pop or gospel):
It always looks as a competition of show, self-promoters and reminds me of the selfies in facebook)
Synthesis:
I prefer a cautious expression of feelings articulating and underlining the dynamicsof the music, relating to the necessary body movement to perform a piece with a natural contact, communication and interaction with the audience. This is an inherent part of performance!
add a comment |
I was always very ambivalent to the mimicking expression of musical artists. I always thought in a child’s naive way: this is just a show!
Contra:
- Especially looking at rock guitarists and keyboarders: they’re usually acting as they were doing such a hard work! but it is not authentic, the electronic does all the job.
But also the flutists and clarinetists, aswell cellists, pianists sometimes are exaggerating, singers (classical and pop).
It was looking so ridiculous and penibel to me that I preferred not showing a video to my school class but only the audio version.
I preferred watching Knopfler of dire straits like he was just doing his job.
it is also a pleasure to me to watch a video where the string orchester is playing pretty calm, it looks like they are working and it looks cool.
Well, one day I watched myself in the mirror playing my brassinstrument and I noticed how my eyebrows were accompanying my efforts to reach the higher pitch of the tune.
- And I realized on playing piano e.g. the chopin etude op. 10,1 that the whole body has to fulfill the movement to make this piece possible for playing.
I told the women sonsters and the children choirs to show emotion when singing, having contact to the public, keeping smiling.
I’ve always accepted the mimics and gestures of a conductor to give the impulse to the musicians.
why then not understanding that the players need or want to support or show the impulse they have with their gestures to illustrate the gestures and dynamics in the music (marked as allegro, pp, ff, attacco, morendo to transport better the idea of the music or the composers???
So finally I can identify with the artists, especially the soloists and feel empathy with their expressions.
- But it still seems quite ridiculous to me when I am watching a video of a string quartet, a chamber ensemble or one of those small choirs or singing (family)groups (egal if classical, pop or gospel):
It always looks as a competition of show, self-promoters and reminds me of the selfies in facebook)
Synthesis:
I prefer a cautious expression of feelings articulating and underlining the dynamicsof the music, relating to the necessary body movement to perform a piece with a natural contact, communication and interaction with the audience. This is an inherent part of performance!
add a comment |
I was always very ambivalent to the mimicking expression of musical artists. I always thought in a child’s naive way: this is just a show!
Contra:
- Especially looking at rock guitarists and keyboarders: they’re usually acting as they were doing such a hard work! but it is not authentic, the electronic does all the job.
But also the flutists and clarinetists, aswell cellists, pianists sometimes are exaggerating, singers (classical and pop).
It was looking so ridiculous and penibel to me that I preferred not showing a video to my school class but only the audio version.
I preferred watching Knopfler of dire straits like he was just doing his job.
it is also a pleasure to me to watch a video where the string orchester is playing pretty calm, it looks like they are working and it looks cool.
Well, one day I watched myself in the mirror playing my brassinstrument and I noticed how my eyebrows were accompanying my efforts to reach the higher pitch of the tune.
- And I realized on playing piano e.g. the chopin etude op. 10,1 that the whole body has to fulfill the movement to make this piece possible for playing.
I told the women sonsters and the children choirs to show emotion when singing, having contact to the public, keeping smiling.
I’ve always accepted the mimics and gestures of a conductor to give the impulse to the musicians.
why then not understanding that the players need or want to support or show the impulse they have with their gestures to illustrate the gestures and dynamics in the music (marked as allegro, pp, ff, attacco, morendo to transport better the idea of the music or the composers???
So finally I can identify with the artists, especially the soloists and feel empathy with their expressions.
- But it still seems quite ridiculous to me when I am watching a video of a string quartet, a chamber ensemble or one of those small choirs or singing (family)groups (egal if classical, pop or gospel):
It always looks as a competition of show, self-promoters and reminds me of the selfies in facebook)
Synthesis:
I prefer a cautious expression of feelings articulating and underlining the dynamicsof the music, relating to the necessary body movement to perform a piece with a natural contact, communication and interaction with the audience. This is an inherent part of performance!
I was always very ambivalent to the mimicking expression of musical artists. I always thought in a child’s naive way: this is just a show!
Contra:
- Especially looking at rock guitarists and keyboarders: they’re usually acting as they were doing such a hard work! but it is not authentic, the electronic does all the job.
But also the flutists and clarinetists, aswell cellists, pianists sometimes are exaggerating, singers (classical and pop).
It was looking so ridiculous and penibel to me that I preferred not showing a video to my school class but only the audio version.
I preferred watching Knopfler of dire straits like he was just doing his job.
it is also a pleasure to me to watch a video where the string orchester is playing pretty calm, it looks like they are working and it looks cool.
Well, one day I watched myself in the mirror playing my brassinstrument and I noticed how my eyebrows were accompanying my efforts to reach the higher pitch of the tune.
- And I realized on playing piano e.g. the chopin etude op. 10,1 that the whole body has to fulfill the movement to make this piece possible for playing.
I told the women sonsters and the children choirs to show emotion when singing, having contact to the public, keeping smiling.
I’ve always accepted the mimics and gestures of a conductor to give the impulse to the musicians.
why then not understanding that the players need or want to support or show the impulse they have with their gestures to illustrate the gestures and dynamics in the music (marked as allegro, pp, ff, attacco, morendo to transport better the idea of the music or the composers???
So finally I can identify with the artists, especially the soloists and feel empathy with their expressions.
- But it still seems quite ridiculous to me when I am watching a video of a string quartet, a chamber ensemble or one of those small choirs or singing (family)groups (egal if classical, pop or gospel):
It always looks as a competition of show, self-promoters and reminds me of the selfies in facebook)
Synthesis:
I prefer a cautious expression of feelings articulating and underlining the dynamicsof the music, relating to the necessary body movement to perform a piece with a natural contact, communication and interaction with the audience. This is an inherent part of performance!
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You're probably still too preoccupied with the technical side of playing your music. When that's completely mastered, you'll get inside the music and 'play from the heart', when the emotions that are missing now will start to appear - in body language and facial expressions.
– Tim
1 hour ago
Is this on topic?
– Todd Wilcox
1 hour ago
I think it has a lot to do with practice. Maybe it will be considered as opinion based. But you know my opinion concerning opinion based. This SE should handle some opinion based questions more liberally!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
1
@ToddWilcox It is about music performance.
– trw
58 mins ago
@ToddWilcox - yes, tangentially. 'Practice' here is 'what happens' rather than 'rehearsal'. (Maybe there's a more fitting word for the title?) However, I'm convinced it will be summarily closed.
– Tim
31 mins ago