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  • Yes, it means "southwest". Just a bit to the south from the westerly direction.

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  • Well, it could be "West SouthWest" or "SouthWest" or "South SouthWest" as these are points on the compass, or it could be 269 degrees...

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  • Yes, it means "southwest". Just a bit to the south from the westerly direction.

    – CowperKettle
    10 hours ago











  • Well, it could be "West SouthWest" or "SouthWest" or "South SouthWest" as these are points on the compass, or it could be 269 degrees...

    – Solar Mike
    9 hours ago











  • Can you post more context?

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  • Yes, it means "southwest". Just a bit to the south from the westerly direction.

    – CowperKettle
    10 hours ago











  • Well, it could be "West SouthWest" or "SouthWest" or "South SouthWest" as these are points on the compass, or it could be 269 degrees...

    – Solar Mike
    9 hours ago











  • Can you post more context?

    – Acccumulation
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Yes, it means "southwest". Just a bit to the south from the westerly direction.

– CowperKettle
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Yes, it means "southwest". Just a bit to the south from the westerly direction.

– CowperKettle
10 hours ago













Well, it could be "West SouthWest" or "SouthWest" or "South SouthWest" as these are points on the compass, or it could be 269 degrees...

– Solar Mike
9 hours ago





Well, it could be "West SouthWest" or "SouthWest" or "South SouthWest" as these are points on the compass, or it could be 269 degrees...

– Solar Mike
9 hours ago













Can you post more context?

– Acccumulation
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Can you post more context?

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Look at a compass rose.



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Look at W for west. Now move 'southwards' (due south), which is anticlockwise1 in this case, from the point for west. Somewhere in that region is "due south of west". You would expect it to be no nearer south than it is to west, as that would be "due west of south". Conventions vary, but I would tend to interpret "due south of west" WSW, or west-south-west, which is actually due west of south west. It might mean south-west, of course, or if you use a traditional mariner's compass (the compass rose of which has another degree of subdivision, for a total of 32 points), it might mean "west by south" (WbS), the point between W and WSW. Unless you have a clear idea of what the conventions of the text are, it could be any point anticlockwise of west and not anticlockwise of south-west.





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  • @SolarMike: I meant the traditional compass rose configurations; have clarified.

    – SamBC
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    Yes. Those 32 divisions are the "points". 3 points south of due west would be south-west by south. They later added half-points, so you could say "half a point west of south-west", and eventually quarter-points, giving 128 directions on the compass. I don't know if they've switched to using degrees nowadays; I know less about modern sailing than 19th century and earlier sailing.

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    I'd interpret this as WbS (West by South ), i.e. 1/32 of a full circle anticlockwise from due west. This is (centred at) 258.75°. So if you're using a compass in degrees, ⪅ 260°. Or in practice start looking due west and shift a few degrees left, as it's easiest to find things if you know which side you're scanning from.

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Although it could technically be anywhere between W and S, I would interpret that as being significantly closer to W than S. Probably somewhere between W and WSW.






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    A more precise expression would be something like "10° south of due west", which would be a heading of 260° (with 0° being due north, 90° due east, 180° due south, and 270° being due west). The less specific "(slightly) south of due west" would indicate a heading just slightly less than 270°, so essentially in a western direction, but a bit south-ish ...






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      Look at a compass rose.



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      Look at W for west. Now move 'southwards' (due south), which is anticlockwise1 in this case, from the point for west. Somewhere in that region is "due south of west". You would expect it to be no nearer south than it is to west, as that would be "due west of south". Conventions vary, but I would tend to interpret "due south of west" WSW, or west-south-west, which is actually due west of south west. It might mean south-west, of course, or if you use a traditional mariner's compass (the compass rose of which has another degree of subdivision, for a total of 32 points), it might mean "west by south" (WbS), the point between W and WSW. Unless you have a clear idea of what the conventions of the text are, it could be any point anticlockwise of west and not anticlockwise of south-west.





      1: In this case it is anticlockwise; 'southwards' from east would be clockwise.






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      • There are more than 32 divisions on a compass...

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      • @SolarMike: I meant the traditional compass rose configurations; have clarified.

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        Yes. Those 32 divisions are the "points". 3 points south of due west would be south-west by south. They later added half-points, so you could say "half a point west of south-west", and eventually quarter-points, giving 128 directions on the compass. I don't know if they've switched to using degrees nowadays; I know less about modern sailing than 19th century and earlier sailing.

        – SamBC
        9 hours ago






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        You may find figure 39 in this link illuminating, perhaps the whole thing... : zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/…

        – Solar Mike
        9 hours ago






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        I'd interpret this as WbS (West by South ), i.e. 1/32 of a full circle anticlockwise from due west. This is (centred at) 258.75°. So if you're using a compass in degrees, ⪅ 260°. Or in practice start looking due west and shift a few degrees left, as it's easiest to find things if you know which side you're scanning from.

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      Look at a compass rose.



      enter image description here



      Look at W for west. Now move 'southwards' (due south), which is anticlockwise1 in this case, from the point for west. Somewhere in that region is "due south of west". You would expect it to be no nearer south than it is to west, as that would be "due west of south". Conventions vary, but I would tend to interpret "due south of west" WSW, or west-south-west, which is actually due west of south west. It might mean south-west, of course, or if you use a traditional mariner's compass (the compass rose of which has another degree of subdivision, for a total of 32 points), it might mean "west by south" (WbS), the point between W and WSW. Unless you have a clear idea of what the conventions of the text are, it could be any point anticlockwise of west and not anticlockwise of south-west.





      1: In this case it is anticlockwise; 'southwards' from east would be clockwise.






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      • There are more than 32 divisions on a compass...

        – Solar Mike
        9 hours ago











      • @SolarMike: I meant the traditional compass rose configurations; have clarified.

        – SamBC
        9 hours ago






      • 2





        Yes. Those 32 divisions are the "points". 3 points south of due west would be south-west by south. They later added half-points, so you could say "half a point west of south-west", and eventually quarter-points, giving 128 directions on the compass. I don't know if they've switched to using degrees nowadays; I know less about modern sailing than 19th century and earlier sailing.

        – SamBC
        9 hours ago






      • 1





        You may find figure 39 in this link illuminating, perhaps the whole thing... : zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/…

        – Solar Mike
        9 hours ago






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        I'd interpret this as WbS (West by South ), i.e. 1/32 of a full circle anticlockwise from due west. This is (centred at) 258.75°. So if you're using a compass in degrees, ⪅ 260°. Or in practice start looking due west and shift a few degrees left, as it's easiest to find things if you know which side you're scanning from.

        – Chris H
        5 hours ago
















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      Look at a compass rose.



      enter image description here



      Look at W for west. Now move 'southwards' (due south), which is anticlockwise1 in this case, from the point for west. Somewhere in that region is "due south of west". You would expect it to be no nearer south than it is to west, as that would be "due west of south". Conventions vary, but I would tend to interpret "due south of west" WSW, or west-south-west, which is actually due west of south west. It might mean south-west, of course, or if you use a traditional mariner's compass (the compass rose of which has another degree of subdivision, for a total of 32 points), it might mean "west by south" (WbS), the point between W and WSW. Unless you have a clear idea of what the conventions of the text are, it could be any point anticlockwise of west and not anticlockwise of south-west.





      1: In this case it is anticlockwise; 'southwards' from east would be clockwise.






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      Look at a compass rose.



      enter image description here



      Look at W for west. Now move 'southwards' (due south), which is anticlockwise1 in this case, from the point for west. Somewhere in that region is "due south of west". You would expect it to be no nearer south than it is to west, as that would be "due west of south". Conventions vary, but I would tend to interpret "due south of west" WSW, or west-south-west, which is actually due west of south west. It might mean south-west, of course, or if you use a traditional mariner's compass (the compass rose of which has another degree of subdivision, for a total of 32 points), it might mean "west by south" (WbS), the point between W and WSW. Unless you have a clear idea of what the conventions of the text are, it could be any point anticlockwise of west and not anticlockwise of south-west.





      1: In this case it is anticlockwise; 'southwards' from east would be clockwise.







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      • There are more than 32 divisions on a compass...

        – Solar Mike
        9 hours ago











      • @SolarMike: I meant the traditional compass rose configurations; have clarified.

        – SamBC
        9 hours ago






      • 2





        Yes. Those 32 divisions are the "points". 3 points south of due west would be south-west by south. They later added half-points, so you could say "half a point west of south-west", and eventually quarter-points, giving 128 directions on the compass. I don't know if they've switched to using degrees nowadays; I know less about modern sailing than 19th century and earlier sailing.

        – SamBC
        9 hours ago






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        You may find figure 39 in this link illuminating, perhaps the whole thing... : zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/…

        – Solar Mike
        9 hours ago






      • 2





        I'd interpret this as WbS (West by South ), i.e. 1/32 of a full circle anticlockwise from due west. This is (centred at) 258.75°. So if you're using a compass in degrees, ⪅ 260°. Or in practice start looking due west and shift a few degrees left, as it's easiest to find things if you know which side you're scanning from.

        – Chris H
        5 hours ago





















      • There are more than 32 divisions on a compass...

        – Solar Mike
        9 hours ago











      • @SolarMike: I meant the traditional compass rose configurations; have clarified.

        – SamBC
        9 hours ago






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        Yes. Those 32 divisions are the "points". 3 points south of due west would be south-west by south. They later added half-points, so you could say "half a point west of south-west", and eventually quarter-points, giving 128 directions on the compass. I don't know if they've switched to using degrees nowadays; I know less about modern sailing than 19th century and earlier sailing.

        – SamBC
        9 hours ago






      • 1





        You may find figure 39 in this link illuminating, perhaps the whole thing... : zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/…

        – Solar Mike
        9 hours ago






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        I'd interpret this as WbS (West by South ), i.e. 1/32 of a full circle anticlockwise from due west. This is (centred at) 258.75°. So if you're using a compass in degrees, ⪅ 260°. Or in practice start looking due west and shift a few degrees left, as it's easiest to find things if you know which side you're scanning from.

        – Chris H
        5 hours ago



















      There are more than 32 divisions on a compass...

      – Solar Mike
      9 hours ago





      There are more than 32 divisions on a compass...

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      @SolarMike: I meant the traditional compass rose configurations; have clarified.

      – SamBC
      9 hours ago





      @SolarMike: I meant the traditional compass rose configurations; have clarified.

      – SamBC
      9 hours ago




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      Yes. Those 32 divisions are the "points". 3 points south of due west would be south-west by south. They later added half-points, so you could say "half a point west of south-west", and eventually quarter-points, giving 128 directions on the compass. I don't know if they've switched to using degrees nowadays; I know less about modern sailing than 19th century and earlier sailing.

      – SamBC
      9 hours ago





      Yes. Those 32 divisions are the "points". 3 points south of due west would be south-west by south. They later added half-points, so you could say "half a point west of south-west", and eventually quarter-points, giving 128 directions on the compass. I don't know if they've switched to using degrees nowadays; I know less about modern sailing than 19th century and earlier sailing.

      – SamBC
      9 hours ago




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      You may find figure 39 in this link illuminating, perhaps the whole thing... : zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/…

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      You may find figure 39 in this link illuminating, perhaps the whole thing... : zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/…

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      I'd interpret this as WbS (West by South ), i.e. 1/32 of a full circle anticlockwise from due west. This is (centred at) 258.75°. So if you're using a compass in degrees, ⪅ 260°. Or in practice start looking due west and shift a few degrees left, as it's easiest to find things if you know which side you're scanning from.

      – Chris H
      5 hours ago







      I'd interpret this as WbS (West by South ), i.e. 1/32 of a full circle anticlockwise from due west. This is (centred at) 258.75°. So if you're using a compass in degrees, ⪅ 260°. Or in practice start looking due west and shift a few degrees left, as it's easiest to find things if you know which side you're scanning from.

      – Chris H
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      Although it could technically be anywhere between W and S, I would interpret that as being significantly closer to W than S. Probably somewhere between W and WSW.






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          Although it could technically be anywhere between W and S, I would interpret that as being significantly closer to W than S. Probably somewhere between W and WSW.







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              A more precise expression would be something like "10° south of due west", which would be a heading of 260° (with 0° being due north, 90° due east, 180° due south, and 270° being due west). The less specific "(slightly) south of due west" would indicate a heading just slightly less than 270°, so essentially in a western direction, but a bit south-ish ...






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                A more precise expression would be something like "10° south of due west", which would be a heading of 260° (with 0° being due north, 90° due east, 180° due south, and 270° being due west). The less specific "(slightly) south of due west" would indicate a heading just slightly less than 270°, so essentially in a western direction, but a bit south-ish ...






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                  A more precise expression would be something like "10° south of due west", which would be a heading of 260° (with 0° being due north, 90° due east, 180° due south, and 270° being due west). The less specific "(slightly) south of due west" would indicate a heading just slightly less than 270°, so essentially in a western direction, but a bit south-ish ...






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                  A more precise expression would be something like "10° south of due west", which would be a heading of 260° (with 0° being due north, 90° due east, 180° due south, and 270° being due west). The less specific "(slightly) south of due west" would indicate a heading just slightly less than 270°, so essentially in a western direction, but a bit south-ish ...







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