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Can a rabbi conduct a marriage if the bride is already pregnant from the groom?



Parashat Ki Tisa
Purim and Shushan PurimIf a woman converts to Judaism while pregnant, will her child be eligible to marry a Kohen?Can marooned Jewish couple marry in G-d's eyes alone and start a family?If a woman cannot have children, can she marry?If two kosher witnesses are not specified at a wedding is the marriage valid?Can a single man buy a used mattress from a single woman?(How) can a man seek favor from (or woo) a potential bride and/or her family?“man seduces a woman for the sake of marriage”Are pregnant women forbidden from eating harmful vegetables?Why does Rashi pair a Tzaddik with a Tzanuah and not a Tzadeikes?Can a Jewish man marry a non-virgin who's never been Jewishly married?












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Are there any prohibitions against or stipulations for conducting a marriage between a woman and the man who recently impregnated her, assuming they are otherwise fit for marriage.










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    Could you add a bit of background to this question? What are some reasons why you think it might be allowed or forbidden? Understanding where this question comes from can help inspire relevant answers.

    – Daniel
    6 hours ago











  • It's crucial that they both admit that the child is his! Please add it to the question.

    – Al Berko
    6 hours ago






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    I edit the question as we don't formally need a Rabbi in order to marry.

    – Al Berko
    6 hours ago











  • @AlBerko that makes the question of if a rabbi can officiate more interesting, not less. If he had to there'd be no question. Maybe since he's not necessary he should stay away

    – Double AA
    6 hours ago






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    I edited the title to simplify it while retaining the salient points. Feel free to re-edit if you don't like it.

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    2 hours ago
















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Are there any prohibitions against or stipulations for conducting a marriage between a woman and the man who recently impregnated her, assuming they are otherwise fit for marriage.










share|improve this question




















  • 1





    Could you add a bit of background to this question? What are some reasons why you think it might be allowed or forbidden? Understanding where this question comes from can help inspire relevant answers.

    – Daniel
    6 hours ago











  • It's crucial that they both admit that the child is his! Please add it to the question.

    – Al Berko
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    I edit the question as we don't formally need a Rabbi in order to marry.

    – Al Berko
    6 hours ago











  • @AlBerko that makes the question of if a rabbi can officiate more interesting, not less. If he had to there'd be no question. Maybe since he's not necessary he should stay away

    – Double AA
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    I edited the title to simplify it while retaining the salient points. Feel free to re-edit if you don't like it.

    – Alex
    2 hours ago














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Are there any prohibitions against or stipulations for conducting a marriage between a woman and the man who recently impregnated her, assuming they are otherwise fit for marriage.










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Are there any prohibitions against or stipulations for conducting a marriage between a woman and the man who recently impregnated her, assuming they are otherwise fit for marriage.







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  • 1





    Could you add a bit of background to this question? What are some reasons why you think it might be allowed or forbidden? Understanding where this question comes from can help inspire relevant answers.

    – Daniel
    6 hours ago











  • It's crucial that they both admit that the child is his! Please add it to the question.

    – Al Berko
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    I edit the question as we don't formally need a Rabbi in order to marry.

    – Al Berko
    6 hours ago











  • @AlBerko that makes the question of if a rabbi can officiate more interesting, not less. If he had to there'd be no question. Maybe since he's not necessary he should stay away

    – Double AA
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    I edited the title to simplify it while retaining the salient points. Feel free to re-edit if you don't like it.

    – Alex
    2 hours ago














  • 1





    Could you add a bit of background to this question? What are some reasons why you think it might be allowed or forbidden? Understanding where this question comes from can help inspire relevant answers.

    – Daniel
    6 hours ago











  • It's crucial that they both admit that the child is his! Please add it to the question.

    – Al Berko
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    I edit the question as we don't formally need a Rabbi in order to marry.

    – Al Berko
    6 hours ago











  • @AlBerko that makes the question of if a rabbi can officiate more interesting, not less. If he had to there'd be no question. Maybe since he's not necessary he should stay away

    – Double AA
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    I edited the title to simplify it while retaining the salient points. Feel free to re-edit if you don't like it.

    – Alex
    2 hours ago








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1





Could you add a bit of background to this question? What are some reasons why you think it might be allowed or forbidden? Understanding where this question comes from can help inspire relevant answers.

– Daniel
6 hours ago





Could you add a bit of background to this question? What are some reasons why you think it might be allowed or forbidden? Understanding where this question comes from can help inspire relevant answers.

– Daniel
6 hours ago













It's crucial that they both admit that the child is his! Please add it to the question.

– Al Berko
6 hours ago





It's crucial that they both admit that the child is his! Please add it to the question.

– Al Berko
6 hours ago




1




1





I edit the question as we don't formally need a Rabbi in order to marry.

– Al Berko
6 hours ago





I edit the question as we don't formally need a Rabbi in order to marry.

– Al Berko
6 hours ago













@AlBerko that makes the question of if a rabbi can officiate more interesting, not less. If he had to there'd be no question. Maybe since he's not necessary he should stay away

– Double AA
6 hours ago





@AlBerko that makes the question of if a rabbi can officiate more interesting, not less. If he had to there'd be no question. Maybe since he's not necessary he should stay away

– Double AA
6 hours ago




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1





I edited the title to simplify it while retaining the salient points. Feel free to re-edit if you don't like it.

– Alex
2 hours ago





I edited the title to simplify it while retaining the salient points. Feel free to re-edit if you don't like it.

– Alex
2 hours ago










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Short answer -- it's allowed.



You'll find a discussion elsewhere on this site about if someone impregnated a woman, do we recommend that he marry her. Which implies that the rabbi can certainly do such a wedding.



The discussion becomes a little more complicated if the pregnant fiancee was not Jewish at the time, and the rabbi now wants to convert her and marry them. (See Igros Moshe EH4:47).



The only question remaining is exactly what word to use in the kesubah (marriage document); theoretically you could refer to the bride as a "maiden" if she was never before married, and all her past partners were Jewish; there's a recording on yutorah.org from Rabbi J. David Bleich who said it looks wrong for a rabbi to sign his name on that language if the bride is visibly pregnant, so instead the text should just refer to her as an it'sa ("woman"). But if the whole conversation revolves around exactly what words to put in the document, it's clear that doing such a marriage is allowed.






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  • Heh, I guess it would be technically correct to write besulta (virgin) if she conceived though IVF, even if she is very obviously pregnant.

    – Adám
    3 hours ago











  • @Adam from a strict halachic perspective, besulta simply means "eligible to marry a kohen." Still Rabbi Bleich says not to use that word if the rabbi is also a witness on the Kesubah and the bride is visibly pregnant.

    – Shalom
    18 mins ago



















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Short answer -- it's allowed.



You'll find a discussion elsewhere on this site about if someone impregnated a woman, do we recommend that he marry her. Which implies that the rabbi can certainly do such a wedding.



The discussion becomes a little more complicated if the pregnant fiancee was not Jewish at the time, and the rabbi now wants to convert her and marry them. (See Igros Moshe EH4:47).



The only question remaining is exactly what word to use in the kesubah (marriage document); theoretically you could refer to the bride as a "maiden" if she was never before married, and all her past partners were Jewish; there's a recording on yutorah.org from Rabbi J. David Bleich who said it looks wrong for a rabbi to sign his name on that language if the bride is visibly pregnant, so instead the text should just refer to her as an it'sa ("woman"). But if the whole conversation revolves around exactly what words to put in the document, it's clear that doing such a marriage is allowed.






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  • Heh, I guess it would be technically correct to write besulta (virgin) if she conceived though IVF, even if she is very obviously pregnant.

    – Adám
    3 hours ago











  • @Adam from a strict halachic perspective, besulta simply means "eligible to marry a kohen." Still Rabbi Bleich says not to use that word if the rabbi is also a witness on the Kesubah and the bride is visibly pregnant.

    – Shalom
    18 mins ago
















11














Short answer -- it's allowed.



You'll find a discussion elsewhere on this site about if someone impregnated a woman, do we recommend that he marry her. Which implies that the rabbi can certainly do such a wedding.



The discussion becomes a little more complicated if the pregnant fiancee was not Jewish at the time, and the rabbi now wants to convert her and marry them. (See Igros Moshe EH4:47).



The only question remaining is exactly what word to use in the kesubah (marriage document); theoretically you could refer to the bride as a "maiden" if she was never before married, and all her past partners were Jewish; there's a recording on yutorah.org from Rabbi J. David Bleich who said it looks wrong for a rabbi to sign his name on that language if the bride is visibly pregnant, so instead the text should just refer to her as an it'sa ("woman"). But if the whole conversation revolves around exactly what words to put in the document, it's clear that doing such a marriage is allowed.






share|improve this answer
























  • Heh, I guess it would be technically correct to write besulta (virgin) if she conceived though IVF, even if she is very obviously pregnant.

    – Adám
    3 hours ago











  • @Adam from a strict halachic perspective, besulta simply means "eligible to marry a kohen." Still Rabbi Bleich says not to use that word if the rabbi is also a witness on the Kesubah and the bride is visibly pregnant.

    – Shalom
    18 mins ago














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11







Short answer -- it's allowed.



You'll find a discussion elsewhere on this site about if someone impregnated a woman, do we recommend that he marry her. Which implies that the rabbi can certainly do such a wedding.



The discussion becomes a little more complicated if the pregnant fiancee was not Jewish at the time, and the rabbi now wants to convert her and marry them. (See Igros Moshe EH4:47).



The only question remaining is exactly what word to use in the kesubah (marriage document); theoretically you could refer to the bride as a "maiden" if she was never before married, and all her past partners were Jewish; there's a recording on yutorah.org from Rabbi J. David Bleich who said it looks wrong for a rabbi to sign his name on that language if the bride is visibly pregnant, so instead the text should just refer to her as an it'sa ("woman"). But if the whole conversation revolves around exactly what words to put in the document, it's clear that doing such a marriage is allowed.






share|improve this answer













Short answer -- it's allowed.



You'll find a discussion elsewhere on this site about if someone impregnated a woman, do we recommend that he marry her. Which implies that the rabbi can certainly do such a wedding.



The discussion becomes a little more complicated if the pregnant fiancee was not Jewish at the time, and the rabbi now wants to convert her and marry them. (See Igros Moshe EH4:47).



The only question remaining is exactly what word to use in the kesubah (marriage document); theoretically you could refer to the bride as a "maiden" if she was never before married, and all her past partners were Jewish; there's a recording on yutorah.org from Rabbi J. David Bleich who said it looks wrong for a rabbi to sign his name on that language if the bride is visibly pregnant, so instead the text should just refer to her as an it'sa ("woman"). But if the whole conversation revolves around exactly what words to put in the document, it's clear that doing such a marriage is allowed.







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  • Heh, I guess it would be technically correct to write besulta (virgin) if she conceived though IVF, even if she is very obviously pregnant.

    – Adám
    3 hours ago











  • @Adam from a strict halachic perspective, besulta simply means "eligible to marry a kohen." Still Rabbi Bleich says not to use that word if the rabbi is also a witness on the Kesubah and the bride is visibly pregnant.

    – Shalom
    18 mins ago



















  • Heh, I guess it would be technically correct to write besulta (virgin) if she conceived though IVF, even if she is very obviously pregnant.

    – Adám
    3 hours ago











  • @Adam from a strict halachic perspective, besulta simply means "eligible to marry a kohen." Still Rabbi Bleich says not to use that word if the rabbi is also a witness on the Kesubah and the bride is visibly pregnant.

    – Shalom
    18 mins ago

















Heh, I guess it would be technically correct to write besulta (virgin) if she conceived though IVF, even if she is very obviously pregnant.

– Adám
3 hours ago





Heh, I guess it would be technically correct to write besulta (virgin) if she conceived though IVF, even if she is very obviously pregnant.

– Adám
3 hours ago













@Adam from a strict halachic perspective, besulta simply means "eligible to marry a kohen." Still Rabbi Bleich says not to use that word if the rabbi is also a witness on the Kesubah and the bride is visibly pregnant.

– Shalom
18 mins ago





@Adam from a strict halachic perspective, besulta simply means "eligible to marry a kohen." Still Rabbi Bleich says not to use that word if the rabbi is also a witness on the Kesubah and the bride is visibly pregnant.

– Shalom
18 mins ago



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