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There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?



$$
begin{array}{cc}
hline
ce{text{Oxidized species} <=> text{Reduced species}} & E^⦵(pu{V}) \
hline
begin{align}
ce{H2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq)} \
ce{H+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g)} \
ce{0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq)} \
ce{0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)}
end{align}
&
begin{array}{r}
-0.83 \
0.00 \
+0.40 \
+1.23
end{array}
\
hline
end{array}
$$



(Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)










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    There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?



    $$
    begin{array}{cc}
    hline
    ce{text{Oxidized species} <=> text{Reduced species}} & E^⦵(pu{V}) \
    hline
    begin{align}
    ce{H2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq)} \
    ce{H+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g)} \
    ce{0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq)} \
    ce{0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)}
    end{align}
    &
    begin{array}{r}
    -0.83 \
    0.00 \
    +0.40 \
    +1.23
    end{array}
    \
    hline
    end{array}
    $$



    (Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)










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      There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?



      $$
      begin{array}{cc}
      hline
      ce{text{Oxidized species} <=> text{Reduced species}} & E^⦵(pu{V}) \
      hline
      begin{align}
      ce{H2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq)} \
      ce{H+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g)} \
      ce{0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq)} \
      ce{0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)}
      end{align}
      &
      begin{array}{r}
      -0.83 \
      0.00 \
      +0.40 \
      +1.23
      end{array}
      \
      hline
      end{array}
      $$



      (Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)










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      There is a list of standard electrode potentials at 298 K from the p. 23 of IB Data Booklet 2016. Which of the following equations (forward/backward reactions), from the two possible ones involving the discharge of hydrogen gas and the other two with oxygen gas discharge, should I use for the oxidation and reduction of water in electrolytic cells?



      $$
      begin{array}{cc}
      hline
      ce{text{Oxidized species} <=> text{Reduced species}} & E^⦵(pu{V}) \
      hline
      begin{align}
      ce{H2O(l) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g) + OH-(aq)} \
      ce{H+(aq) + e- &<=> 0.5 H2(g)} \
      ce{0.5 O2(g) + H2O(l) + 2 e- &<=> 2 OH-(aq)} \
      ce{0.5 O2(g) + 2 H+(aq) + 2 e- &<=> H2O(l)}
      end{align}
      &
      begin{array}{r}
      -0.83 \
      0.00 \
      +0.40 \
      +1.23
      end{array}
      \
      hline
      end{array}
      $$



      (Unless the use of any of these equations cannot be generalized — for a concise explanation of why this is so and what to do then I would be equally grateful.)







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          $begingroup$

          For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ce{H+}$ occurs.



          As $ce{OH-}$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.



          Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
          $ce{OH-}$ or anions of weak acids like $ce{ClO-}$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.



          But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.



          $$begin{align}
          ce{O2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)}\
          ce{2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)}
          end{align}$$



          For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ce{OH}$- occurs.



          $$begin{align}
          ce{2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)}\
          ce{O2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)}
          end{align}$$






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          • $begingroup$
            Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
            $endgroup$
            – Poutnik
            56 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
            $endgroup$
            – andselisk
            29 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            16 mins ago






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            $begingroup$
            @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            16 mins ago












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          $begingroup$

          For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ce{H+}$ occurs.



          As $ce{OH-}$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.



          Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
          $ce{OH-}$ or anions of weak acids like $ce{ClO-}$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.



          But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.



          $$begin{align}
          ce{O2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)}\
          ce{2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)}
          end{align}$$



          For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ce{OH}$- occurs.



          $$begin{align}
          ce{2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)}\
          ce{O2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)}
          end{align}$$






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          • $begingroup$
            Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
            $endgroup$
            – Poutnik
            56 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
            $endgroup$
            – andselisk
            29 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            16 mins ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            16 mins ago
















          2












          $begingroup$

          For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ce{H+}$ occurs.



          As $ce{OH-}$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.



          Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
          $ce{OH-}$ or anions of weak acids like $ce{ClO-}$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.



          But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.



          $$begin{align}
          ce{O2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)}\
          ce{2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)}
          end{align}$$



          For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ce{OH}$- occurs.



          $$begin{align}
          ce{2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)}\
          ce{O2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)}
          end{align}$$






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$













          • $begingroup$
            Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
            $endgroup$
            – Poutnik
            56 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
            $endgroup$
            – andselisk
            29 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            16 mins ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            16 mins ago














          2












          2








          2





          $begingroup$

          For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ce{H+}$ occurs.



          As $ce{OH-}$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.



          Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
          $ce{OH-}$ or anions of weak acids like $ce{ClO-}$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.



          But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.



          $$begin{align}
          ce{O2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)}\
          ce{2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)}
          end{align}$$



          For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ce{OH}$- occurs.



          $$begin{align}
          ce{2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)}\
          ce{O2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)}
          end{align}$$






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          For the acidic electrolysis, use the reactions where $ce{H+}$ occurs.



          As $ce{OH-}$ is not available in considerable amount there as a reagent, neither it is created as a product.



          Generally, for a reaction choice, apply the principle of availability and stability, allowing for a reagent to exist in (relative) abundance.
          $ce{OH-}$ or anions of weak acids like $ce{ClO-}$ do not survive in acids. Acids do not survive in hydroxides.



          But note that using reactions with half of a molecule is not necessery.



          $$begin{align}
          ce{O2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e- &<=> 2 H2O(l)}\
          ce{2H+(aq) + 2e- &<=> H2(g)}
          end{align}$$



          For the alkaline electrolysis, similarly, use the reactions where $ce{OH}$- occurs.



          $$begin{align}
          ce{2 H2O(l) + 2e- &<=> H2(g) + 2 OH^-(aq)}\
          ce{O2(g) + 2 H2O(l) + 4e- &<=> 4 OH^-(aq)}
          end{align}$$







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          • $begingroup$
            Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
            $endgroup$
            – Poutnik
            56 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
            $endgroup$
            – andselisk
            29 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            16 mins ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            16 mins ago


















          • $begingroup$
            Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            1 hour ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
            $endgroup$
            – Poutnik
            56 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
            $endgroup$
            – andselisk
            29 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            16 mins ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
            $endgroup$
            – w_w
            16 mins ago
















          $begingroup$
          Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
          $endgroup$
          – w_w
          1 hour ago




          $begingroup$
          Thank you, @Poutnik. Could you also explain to me how I could apply this knowledge to, for example, the electrolysis of aqueous sodium chloride? A textbook example uses equations from both categories you mentioned.
          $endgroup$
          – w_w
          1 hour ago




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
          $endgroup$
          – Poutnik
          56 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          Apply the same principle of availability and stability.
          $endgroup$
          – Poutnik
          56 mins ago












          $begingroup$
          @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
          $endgroup$
          – andselisk
          29 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          @w_w If you are happy with the answer, feel free to upvote (might not be available due to low rep) and accept it (grey tick mark below).
          $endgroup$
          – andselisk
          29 mins ago












          $begingroup$
          @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
          $endgroup$
          – w_w
          16 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          @Poutnik, I suppose that by "availability" you mean concentration of the salt, but I am not sure how to tackle "stability"... Does "stability" have to do with electrode potential values? I am too verdant to figure this out by myself.
          $endgroup$
          – w_w
          16 mins ago




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
          $endgroup$
          – w_w
          16 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          @andselisk, Thank you for the edits and the reminder!
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          – w_w
          16 mins ago










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