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I came across the notation $det(v,w)$ where $v$ and $w$ are vectors. Specifically, it was about the curvature of a plane curve:

$$kappa (t) = frac{det(gamma'(t), gamma''(t)) }{|gamma'(t)|^3}$$

What is it supposed to mean?

linear-algebra differential-geometry notation determinant

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  Are they 2D vectors? You may want to see this section of the Wikipedia article on Curvature. As you should be able to see from there, $color{blue}{det(v,w)}$ means $color{blue}{det begin{pmatrix} v_1 & w_1 \ v_2 & w_2end{pmatrix}}$.
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  That is the determinant of their components.
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5

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I came across the notation $det(v,w)$ where $v$ and $w$ are vectors. Specifically, it was about the curvature of a plane curve:

$$kappa (t) = frac{det(gamma'(t), gamma''(t)) }{|gamma'(t)|^3}$$

What is it supposed to mean?

linear-algebra differential-geometry notation determinant

share|cite|improve this question

asked 5 hours ago

useruser

613

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  $begingroup$
  Are they 2D vectors? You may want to see this section of the Wikipedia article on Curvature. As you should be able to see from there, $color{blue}{det(v,w)}$ means $color{blue}{det begin{pmatrix} v_1 & w_1 \ v_2 & w_2end{pmatrix}}$.
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  That is the determinant of their components.
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I came across the notation $det(v,w)$ where $v$ and $w$ are vectors. Specifically, it was about the curvature of a plane curve:

$$kappa (t) = frac{det(gamma'(t), gamma''(t)) }{|gamma'(t)|^3}$$

What is it supposed to mean?

linear-algebra differential-geometry notation determinant

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They formed a matrix by stacking $gamma'(t)$ and $gamma''(t)$ next to each other as column vectors. You can also regard it as the cross product of the two vectors if you extend both with a $z=0$ coordinate and take the z component of the resulting vector (that way you can relate it to the 3d formula in a way).

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In general, the determinant of $n$ vectors $v_1$, $v_2$, $dots$, $v_n$ in $mathbb R^n$ is the determinant of the matrix whose columns are $v_1$, $dots$, $v_n$ (in that order).

Seen as an application whose inputs are vectors, the determinant has nice properties:

1. multilinear, that is linear in each variable:
   $$det(v_1,dots, a v_j+b w_j,dots,v_n)
   =
   a det(v_1,dots, v_j,dots,v_n)
   + bdet(v_1,dots, w_j,dots,v_n)$$




2. alternating: switching two vectors transforms the determinant in its opposite

$$det(v_1,dots, v_i, dots, v_j,dots,v_n) = det(v_1,dots, v_j, dots, v_i,dots,v_n)$$

3. The value on the canonical basis $(e_1,dots,e_n)$ of $mathbb R^n$ is $1$.

$$det(e_1,dots,e_n) = 1 $$

Actually, it can be proved that the determinant is the unique alternating multilinear form whose value on the canonical basis is $1$. Many (most?) Linear Algebra books use this as a definition of the determinant (before extending the definition to matrices and then linear applications). I think it is equivalent but more satisfying than introducing the determinant by the strange "expansion along a row" formula most PreCalculus textbook use.

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  I believe the issue here was not that he didn't know the definition of determinant, but rather the fact that he had a determinant of two vectors rather than a matrix.
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They formed a matrix by stacking $gamma'(t)$ and $gamma''(t)$ next to each other as column vectors. You can also regard it as the cross product of the two vectors if you extend both with a $z=0$ coordinate and take the z component of the resulting vector (that way you can relate it to the 3d formula in a way).

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They formed a matrix by stacking $gamma'(t)$ and $gamma''(t)$ next to each other as column vectors. You can also regard it as the cross product of the two vectors if you extend both with a $z=0$ coordinate and take the z component of the resulting vector (that way you can relate it to the 3d formula in a way).

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$begingroup$

They formed a matrix by stacking $gamma'(t)$ and $gamma''(t)$ next to each other as column vectors. You can also regard it as the cross product of the two vectors if you extend both with a $z=0$ coordinate and take the z component of the resulting vector (that way you can relate it to the 3d formula in a way).

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answered 4 hours ago

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answered 4 hours ago

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answered 4 hours ago

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answered 4 hours ago

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In general, the determinant of $n$ vectors $v_1$, $v_2$, $dots$, $v_n$ in $mathbb R^n$ is the determinant of the matrix whose columns are $v_1$, $dots$, $v_n$ (in that order).

Seen as an application whose inputs are vectors, the determinant has nice properties:

1. multilinear, that is linear in each variable:
   $$det(v_1,dots, a v_j+b w_j,dots,v_n)
   =
   a det(v_1,dots, v_j,dots,v_n)
   + bdet(v_1,dots, w_j,dots,v_n)$$




2. alternating: switching two vectors transforms the determinant in its opposite

$$det(v_1,dots, v_i, dots, v_j,dots,v_n) = det(v_1,dots, v_j, dots, v_i,dots,v_n)$$

3. The value on the canonical basis $(e_1,dots,e_n)$ of $mathbb R^n$ is $1$.

$$det(e_1,dots,e_n) = 1 $$

Actually, it can be proved that the determinant is the unique alternating multilinear form whose value on the canonical basis is $1$. Many (most?) Linear Algebra books use this as a definition of the determinant (before extending the definition to matrices and then linear applications). I think it is equivalent but more satisfying than introducing the determinant by the strange "expansion along a row" formula most PreCalculus textbook use.

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answered 4 hours ago

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  I believe the issue here was not that he didn't know the definition of determinant, but rather the fact that he had a determinant of two vectors rather than a matrix.
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1

$begingroup$

In general, the determinant of $n$ vectors $v_1$, $v_2$, $dots$, $v_n$ in $mathbb R^n$ is the determinant of the matrix whose columns are $v_1$, $dots$, $v_n$ (in that order).

Seen as an application whose inputs are vectors, the determinant has nice properties:

1. multilinear, that is linear in each variable:
   $$det(v_1,dots, a v_j+b w_j,dots,v_n)
   =
   a det(v_1,dots, v_j,dots,v_n)
   + bdet(v_1,dots, w_j,dots,v_n)$$




2. alternating: switching two vectors transforms the determinant in its opposite

$$det(v_1,dots, v_i, dots, v_j,dots,v_n) = det(v_1,dots, v_j, dots, v_i,dots,v_n)$$

3. The value on the canonical basis $(e_1,dots,e_n)$ of $mathbb R^n$ is $1$.

$$det(e_1,dots,e_n) = 1 $$

Actually, it can be proved that the determinant is the unique alternating multilinear form whose value on the canonical basis is $1$. Many (most?) Linear Algebra books use this as a definition of the determinant (before extending the definition to matrices and then linear applications). I think it is equivalent but more satisfying than introducing the determinant by the strange "expansion along a row" formula most PreCalculus textbook use.

share|cite|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

TaladrisTaladris

4,92431933

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  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  I believe the issue here was not that he didn't know the definition of determinant, but rather the fact that he had a determinant of two vectors rather than a matrix.
  $endgroup$
  – lightxbulb
  3 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

$begingroup$

In general, the determinant of $n$ vectors $v_1$, $v_2$, $dots$, $v_n$ in $mathbb R^n$ is the determinant of the matrix whose columns are $v_1$, $dots$, $v_n$ (in that order).

Seen as an application whose inputs are vectors, the determinant has nice properties:

1. multilinear, that is linear in each variable:
   $$det(v_1,dots, a v_j+b w_j,dots,v_n)
   =
   a det(v_1,dots, v_j,dots,v_n)
   + bdet(v_1,dots, w_j,dots,v_n)$$




2. alternating: switching two vectors transforms the determinant in its opposite

$$det(v_1,dots, v_i, dots, v_j,dots,v_n) = det(v_1,dots, v_j, dots, v_i,dots,v_n)$$

3. The value on the canonical basis $(e_1,dots,e_n)$ of $mathbb R^n$ is $1$.

$$det(e_1,dots,e_n) = 1 $$

Actually, it can be proved that the determinant is the unique alternating multilinear form whose value on the canonical basis is $1$. Many (most?) Linear Algebra books use this as a definition of the determinant (before extending the definition to matrices and then linear applications). I think it is equivalent but more satisfying than introducing the determinant by the strange "expansion along a row" formula most PreCalculus textbook use.

share|cite|improve this answer

answered 4 hours ago

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